The Emperor's Corner
Is Your ECO AWAL?
November 23, 2007
Rob Taylor, Founder, Empire Hunting
 
Believe me, I do not fancy myself to be Mr. Outdoor Writer or anything. But I like to do some jogging down of random thoughts because I enjoy it and..... well...... it is my Website :) But as much as it is my Website - it is your Website too and I have enjoyed reading all of your comments and opinions about deer hunting in New York the last few months. There are some very bright individuals who participate here who have made some wonderful suggestions for improving New York deer management in my opinion. I especially love the people who support a one buck per year rule!

Right now I am holed up in a hotel room in Moscow, Idaho where I will be spending the next few days hunting deer. As I am sure you all know, Idaho is a sparsely populated state. Remote, rugged, and easy to get away from society. With its vast seasonal roads going seemingly nowhere until snowfall blocks you out, it would be hard to imagine that you would need to worry about conservation law enforcement. Especially when you see how little of it there is in a populated State like New York where hunters are much more accessible to game wardens. Think again.

I will never forget the day 10 years ago (when I used to live here) when I was driving down the main highway coming home from deer hunting. It was the last week of the deer season (late November). There was an Idaho Fish & Game officer parked along side the road of a main highway. I really did not think much of it until I went another 1/2 mile and came over a knoll right in to Checkpoint Charlie. The road was blocked off by several Fish & game vehicles and anyone who was hunting was instructed to pull in to a parking area where officers had a small camp set-up with another 5 or so conservation officers going over everything. There were a couple people there getting tickets, a couple nice bucks that had been confiscated, and a stern, yet professional, attitude from the officers. It definately painted the impression of a no nonsense State.

By the way, it is not just one day a year, one place on the highway, or just deer season for that matter. Checkpoint Charlie also exists during spring turkey season as well and in many different locations. I know I will see it before I leave next week. You get a year-round sense of enforcement out here.

Flash back one week ago to the New York opener. I saw a guy in the morning on property me and my Dad hunt that was not supposed to be in there. He has been kicked off before but keeps coming back. Why? Because nothing happens to him. That is why!

Move forward to that same afternoon. I stopped in on a piece of public property where I had seen a few deer during bow season. I got up the hill 100 yards only to find a guy pull in behind me and start walking around my truck. I came back down to find an acquaintance of a family that owns private property that borders the public land on the other side waving a camera in my face and telling me not to go off the public land. The guy, who probably should be arrested for harassing people on public land, had stated that a doe was taken on their land that morning by a trespasser who came in from public land. He then expressed some frustration that the DEC was coming but from past experience he did not expect them to do much about it.

I know the family. They do not hunt. I went to their door a few years ago to ask permission to hunt and I thought the guy at the door was going to shoot me for asking. He made several verbal threats to me including how he would send his dogs after me if I went on his land. The guy is nuts. But it is his land and given the fact that they cannot trust the DEC to do anything for them, it is hard not to see why they get so upset. Although the guy is a complete lunatic and he probably does not do himself any favors with his temper.

In any event, the practice of conservation law in New York is almost non-existant. I truly believe that you could do almost anything in New York with little risk of arrest or ticket. You may end up with a split lip or you may end up with a bad reputation amongst your fellow hunters. But you will not likely be hearing from a con officer anytime soon. If you did, then people might not do things like this - New York Hunter Killed Hunting Deer the Day Before it Officially Opened.

Now, my apologies to the DEC and there officers. I am sure you are doing all you can although I question it. You likely write more tickets then I am aware of and you probably are over loaded with trespassing complaints and who gets a ticket (or not) is merely luck of the draw. And if we annexed New York City from our State then things may be different as there would be more funding for enforcement officers. But still, it is hard to believe that we do not see more enforcement for game violations. Where is Checkpoint Charlie? Wouldn't the troopers and Sheriffs assist in such an effort? Why doesn't an ECO randomly show up at hunting camps? What ever happens to these guys who walk in to gun shops bragging about the 5 bucks they killed this year? If it is illegal to shoot a gun off of an ATV then why do I see so many people riding them in broad daylight with shotguns across them? Oh and what about this thing called MANDATORY HARVEST REPORTING?

I hate to say it but it does seem like you can do about anything you want in New York State and get away with it. I don't know how you come to any other conclusion in the Southern Tier anyway. Enforcement of game violations may exist in the North where, just like Idaho, there is a lot more public land and trespassing is a rare occurance. But not in the Southern Tier of New York.
 
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Jack Hogan Rensselaer Co - 12/20/2007 12:15:38 PM
"If it is illegal to shoot a gun off of an ATV then why do I see so many people riding them in broad daylight with shotguns across them?"


It also illegal to shoot a gun out of your truck/car. So you must walk to your favorite hunting spot? just because they have the gun on there quad dosn't mean it loaded or they are shooting off it.
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paul - 12/15/2007 5:24:41 PM
Today I am in the field bowhunting on state land, perfect day! That was until 45 min before sundown 3 men walk down yelling and making all kinds of noise. OK its state land but these jerks are carring shotguns for deer. Told them its not gun season and they told me they did not know this and kept going(yelling and screaming) into the woods! Great, stayed on post for 3 hours for this. Thats' why people get turned off to state land. As for hiking a mile into the woods durring the summer and finding a spot, great theory until someone walks in front of you after he petted the dog got gas and gassy and doesn't like stand hunting and perfers to walk all over and around you, waves and says hi! State land for stand hunting I don't think so, bird hunting rabbit ok not deer!
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Mike D Elmira - 12/4/2007 8:35:40 PM
Pete my son also has A lifetime licence although he is 14 when he recieved his sportsman licence he recieved only 2007 fall turkey tags and 2008 spring turkey tags. he has completed his hunter safety course and his bow huntig saftey course. wich we had to purchase a jr. bow hunting tag for him.But his grandfather purchsed the lifetime licence for him befor turning the age of 12 and nys sent him his licence the first year he was old enough to hunt without even knowing if he had completed A hunter saftey course. also another question I have is he applied for A doe tag when he got his jr bow licence and recieved one I wonder if he can sign that over to another hunter as for it is A regular dmp tag?
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Pete - 11/30/2007 7:24:54 PM
Well this is sort of on the topic....My son's all have lifetime licences in NYS. The oldest is 15 years old, he just received in the mail today a "regular season" antlered buck tag. Does this give him the right to hunt with a firearm now that NYS clearly issued a 15 year old a deer tag. Did they change the ruling overnight without telling anyone? With such a shortage of Econ officers out there I doubt they would ever check. If any other Lifetime license holders that are under 16 received the same tag I would be interested what they plan to do. Let their very qualified young adults hunt with a legal tag or wait until they all turn 16? An intersting dilemna.
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