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If You Give Hunters the Tags Then They Will Shoot the Deer
February 28, 2008
Rob Taylor, Founder, Empire Hunting
 
Here is a look at the deer take numbers in New York for the past 14 years. I had to dig like a bastard to find these as it does not appear that the DEC has historical numbers. None that I could find anyway. Many of them came from press releases I found in Google archives.

YearTake
2007 220,000
2006 189,100
2005 180,200
2004 208,000
2003 253,000
2002 308,000
2001 282,000
2000 295,000
1999 256,000
1998 231,000
1997 207,855
1996 196,110
1995 188,284
1994 165,600

I wish I could find the numbers prior to the 1994 but I cannot. What I do know is that the 1993-1994 winter was harsh. As you can see, it took a toll on the deer take for a few years before skyrocketing again and then falling again after the harsh winters we had a few years ago. Or was it the harsh winters? It is hard to tell.

What is interesting is how many deer were taken in New York this year with license sales being so low. We have all complained just a tad in the past few seasons about low deer numbers. I felt they came back last season in my area and I think there are going to be a lot deer next season in my area. Deer hunting pressure was null and void here last year. I am already seeing groups of 10-15 deer in fields this spring when in years past I was lucky if I saw five. It won't surprise me if the hunting community in some regions starts to complain (again) that there are too many does within the next couple of seasons.

But will they? I don't know because it is hard to tell. Did the take go way down in 2004 because of hard winters prior to that or did we got a little too liberal with the DMPs? Probably both. As the data would indicate, years after hard winters generally lead to lower deer take for the next couple of seasons. However, we were not allowing hunters to shoot as many deer in 1994 as we do today. We also saw a skyrocket in DMPs in those peak years around the turn of the century. Those factors are a stumbling block for me as far as interpreting the data is concerned.

There definately does not appear to be much of a correlation between license sales and deer take. This was one of the lowest years of license sales in New York ever. Yet, over the last 14 years there have only been six seasons that had a higher deer take than last year. All six of those seasons were right in a row. But license sales were way down?

If you give hunters the tags then they will shoot the deer!
 
Rob Taylor, Founder, EmpireHunting.com


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concerned hunter western ny - 8/18/2008 5:02:05 PM
Take a look when they started nuisence permits and it has a huge relationship between the availability of dmp's available, and the deer numbers going way down. then the amount of deer in the fields during the spring and summer. let alone the fall. and on the 300 acres I hunt I do not find the rib cages and carcasses in the woods to justify winter kill. especially when I,m talking to locals where I hunt and the land owners where I hunt are complaining about farmers shooting any where from 40 to 50 deer during the summer to other fARMERS SHOOTING 150 TO 200 DEER ON SINGLE FARM DURING THE SUMMER WITH RIFLES. When the DEC wants sportsmen to go out with a bow and arrow in Oct. then in Dec with a shotgun or muzzleloader at most after they have been shot at with rifles all summer! We used to pass up does now you see one you better take the shot because you never know if you will see another. We started putting food plots in to give them an alternative to going to the fields during the spring and summer months to give the deer a chance to make it through the summer. It's not the winter kill it's the farmers killing them all summer with wreckless abandon and not giving a damn! On top of that walking the hedgerows to look for sign in August and you find a deer just shot within a few weeks and the head missing means they're not just shooting does they're shooting bucks too. We need to start questioning more than mother nature. More like the powers that be. You mistakenly shoot a deer and have a valid license You're in jeapordy of losing your license. But if you own property you can blast away without any consequense apparently. If you notice the hunting kill numbers went down when the deer tags went down and the nuisence permit numbers kicked in. That's why if I want to fill my freezer I've started going out west where I get drawn for a buck and can buy my doe tags. Not to mention there are no nuisence permits and poaching is poaching and is still penalized to the full extent of the law no matter how many acres they own. The reason is because people are reimbersed for crop damage if they allow people to hunt and they're allowed to charge as they see fit to encourage to allow people onto their land. Prior to hunting hunters sign a liability agreement before they begin to protect the land owner. The game is regulated the way it should be and not slaughtered out of hate.
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